The Poe(li)tics of Reality


  1. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker December 13, 2010 at 2:37 am .

    Frost AND Edson!<br /><br />they could/should keep us<br />busy reading and doing for a good.long.while.<br /><br />ever see that Voices and Visions film re: Frost?<br /><br />the WCW is pretty good, too. and<br />so&#39;s the Pound one<br /> as are all of those bios…<br /><br />Henry Ferinni did a VERY neat film re: his Uncle…. and one on Olson<br /><br /> I&#39;d &quot;spring&quot;

  2. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker December 13, 2010 at 2:17 am .

    I tried pocket pool<br />but<br />scratched on the ate ball!<br /><br />no longer a need for a TV<br /><br />watch things on your Super-Duper Apple Puter<br /><br />subscribe to Netflix, Comcast, Hulu, Zulu and watch<br />LULU<br /> virtually<br /> strip on de-mand!<br /><br /><br />my question/concern is:<br /><br />who REALLY is Araki Yasusada&#39;s

  3. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison December 13, 2010 at 2:06 am .

    I want to read that position paper, Ed.<br /><br />Makes me think…<br /><br />Frost said free verse is tennis with the net down.<br /><br />Edson said prose poetry is tennis with your pants down.<br /><br />Post-Avant must be pocket pool with the TV on.

  4. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker December 13, 2010 at 12:50 am .

    I&#39;m about<br />to re:comment that of what I deleted just priorly to Kent&#39;s reply to what I de:leted. Herereeeee ittttt isssss:<br /><br />&quot;Ed Baker has left a new comment on the post &quot;The Poe(li)tics of Reality&quot;: <br /><br />WOW!<br /><br />much ado about nothing!… eh?<br /><br />let&#39;s just call Credentialism by it s real name<br />and,<br /><br />Kent<br /><br />it

  5. Conrad DiDiodato
    Conrad DiDiodato December 13, 2010 at 12:38 am .

    Kent,<br /><br />if you&#39;re referring to &quot;Theory of the Avant-Garde&quot; (a work considered indispensable reading, in my view), the point&#39;s well taken.<br /><br />I think of passage such as the following: &quot;A contemporary aesthetic can no more neglect the incisive changes that the historical avant-garde movements effected in the realm of art than it can ignore that art has long

  6. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson December 13, 2010 at 12:23 am .

    Hi Conrad, <br /><br />Thanks for the kudos on the phrasing. Though you know, I think this needs to be kept in mind: the problem to reckon with is how even those radical examples you mention have been long absorbed and domesticated as &quot;Art&quot; and &quot;Literature.&quot; (Peter Burger&#39;s account of a-g failure remains the indispensable work, even if lots to argue with him on).<br /><br

  7. Conrad DiDiodato
    Conrad DiDiodato December 13, 2010 at 12:07 am .

    &quot;But safe to say there is nothing like an avant-garde in American poetry today, if by avant-garde we mean art that confronts and radically disrupts, guided by a stubborn drive of institutional critique. By and large, these are poetic times of accommodation, courtesy, and careerist caution. Seems that way to me, anyhow.&quot;<br /><br />Well said, Kent! You&#39;ve drawn a devastating

  8. Anonymous
    Anonymous December 12, 2010 at 11:50 pm .

    yes I have! His Being and EVENT<br />and dig it:<br /><br />this from his MEDITATION THIRTEEN<br /><br />&quot;blew my mind&quot; (what s left of it):<br /><br />&quot;The effective infinity of being cannot be recognized according to the unique metaphysical punctuality of substantial infinity of a supreme being. (…).&quot;<br /><br />page 143<br /><br />this MUST be all about<br />&quot;

  9. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson December 12, 2010 at 11:39 pm .

    Ed,<br /><br />What I mean by &quot;complicated&quot; is: <br /><br />Have you ever read Bourdieu?<br /><br />cheers!

  10. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker December 12, 2010 at 11:30 pm .

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  11. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson December 12, 2010 at 11:19 pm .

    Joseph and Lyle,<br /><br />Silliman came up with the term, of course, and he uses it as a blanket concept that encompasses Language poetry and pretty much anything since then that gestures towards some degree of abstraction, so far as I can tell. Though as you say, the parameters are pretty vague, and RS also seems to use it to gather anyone who has some kind of *personal* association with

  12. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison December 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm .

    SO many pithy comments! Let me see.<br /><br />Kent—the Langpo poets moved on (I&#39;d never made the connection with the Gulf War; hmmm…), but as you note their entry into academia was excused on the basis of that being &quot;where the real struggle was happening.&quot; Do they view themselves as co-opted now? And what did that move into academia have to do with the so-called &quot;post-avant&

  13. Anonymous
    Anonymous December 12, 2010 at 1:17 pm .

    well<br />to &quot;lighten&quot; the thrust<br />here<br />poetry as practiced by our Stellar Poets<br />whether In-side University/Akanemia<br />or the Grad-student, post student Poets<br /> &quot;ALL-TO-A-MAN&quot; practice<br /> Safe Poetry<br />wearing rubbers on their pens/minds and &quot;tell&quot; rather than &quot;do&quot;<br /> like a basic

  14. Lyle Daggett
    Lyle Daggett December 12, 2010 at 3:28 am .

    Language poetry (or &quot;Language&quot; poetry) reminds me, more than anything else, of the disjointed fragments, the isolated words and phrases and almost-phrases, that fill corporate memos and endless computer screens every day of the year.<br /><br />(I work for a living in such an environment five days a week. I often have the sense, sitting in my cubicle in the middle of the day, that I&#39

  15. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson December 11, 2010 at 11:56 pm .

    Joe, hadn&#39;t seen that post. Just went there to read and posted this in response to that Langpo aspect of it at 3Quarks. Thought I&#39;d also put it here:<br /><br />Regarding Baird&#39;s somewhat misleading Language-poetry analogy, it&#39;s worth pointing out that the utopian political-poetic formulations he cites were abandoned long ago by the group&#39;s leading figures, around the time, in

  16. Conrad DiDiodato
    Conrad DiDiodato December 11, 2010 at 11:34 pm .

    Here&#39;s an interesting article on poetry from Huffington Post I saw at Bob Grumman&#39;s site.<br /><br />

  17. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison December 11, 2010 at 10:26 pm .

    Thanks for the thoughts and the link, Conrad. And for your amazing recent posts, all pith and core and more or less mind-blowing….<br /><br />Ed! Don&#39;t know if Linh is related to anyone but Rimbaud. Does this not sound as if Arthur might have spat it in the face of The Best of All Possible Worlds had he lived in these times?:<br /><br /><b>Third Coming</b><br /><br />Rough beast out there.

  18. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker December 11, 2010 at 6:01 pm .

    yeah… I HATE IT! I tell you<br />I HATE IT when a poem is v=a=c=u=o=u=s<br /><br />I call that by it&#39;s real name: Vacpo<br />and thanks I jus ascovered Linh Dinh acause of you:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />do you happen to noh if Linh is related to Ling?<br /><br /><br />an olden friend from my UTE (1954:<br /><br />Ling Ting Tong who ate

  19. Conrad DiDiodato
    Conrad DiDiodato December 10, 2010 at 11:26 pm .

    Joseph,<br /><br />interesting LangPo and WiliLeaks analogy. Media theorist Geert Lovink (whose writings are worth reading for their insightful forays into cyber reality/expression)has recently posted what he&#39;s called &quot;Twelve Theses on WikiLeaks&quot;. I&#39;d encourage you, after reading them, to make even more interesting substitutions here.<br /><br />( See

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