A Stray Thought


  1. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker August 26, 2010 at 11:27 pm .

    so..<br />did I tell you<br /><br />about 1963 about just before Kennedy was shot in Texas<br /><br />so<br />me and Ronnie Wilson and Eddie Gold and Rudd Fleming<br />and Howard Nemerov <br />are sitting around in Rudd&#39;s office and Ronnie is reading to us some poems he had gotten to the point of a first read..<br /><br />we were having tea<br />and (something…something…<br />something)<

  2. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm .

    Glad you found some Nemeroviana that pleases you. I have a soft spot for him. He has a wonderful piece called simply <a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=171411&quot; rel="nofollow">&quot;Writing&quot;</a> that gentles its way into some vertiginous places….

  3. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker August 26, 2010 at 12:19 pm .

    should have read more and paid more attention to…<br />in my UTE!<br /><br />HN&#39;s &quot;To Lu Chi&quot;<br /><br />(in his 1960 &#39;new and selected poems&#39;<br /><br />just hooked me lines and sinkers!<br /><br />then<br />to his<br /> &quot;Absent-Minded Professor&quot;<br /><br />and off to<br /><br /> &quot;The Town Dump&quot;

  4. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 25, 2010 at 3:25 am .

    You ought to read it. Nemerov is not in your ballpark, maybe not even in your sport (you&#39;re, uh … Chinese checkers and Nemerov is, maybe, jai alai). But he was the real thing, I think.

  5. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker August 24, 2010 at 8:43 pm .

    1963 or so<br />I was on the way into The University of Maryland&#39;s<br />Student Union building<br /><br />and at the top of the stairs Rudd Fleming and this tall white-haired guy in a black expensive suit<br />smiling were there..<br /><br />Rudd said &quot;High Ed&quot;<br />then he turned to this guy and said &quot;Ed writes.&quot;<br /><br />this guy says &quot;I do too.&quot;<br />then

  6. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 24, 2010 at 8:21 pm .

    As old H. Nemerov put it:<br /><br /><b>A Life</b><br /><br />Innocence? <br />In a sense. <br />In no sense! <br /><br /><i>Was</i> that it? <br />Was <i>that</i> it? <br />Was that <i>it</i>? <br /><br />That was it.

  7. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker August 24, 2010 at 6:41 pm .

    JOE pull-lease<br /><br />I&#39;ll tell the jokes!<br /><br />… say, I was just thinking:<br /><br />are we famous yet?<br />or is this<br />all there is?<br /><br /><br />and<br />do tell me your take on<br /><br />how come the gal/girl/lady/female &#39;poets&#39;<br /> stick to themselves?<br /><br />I just don&#39;t &quot;get it&quot; my last muse up and died on me<br /> first she

  8. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 24, 2010 at 6:16 pm .

    What?! Not PEEPO?

  9. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker August 24, 2010 at 5:38 pm .

    say hey Joe..<br />you asked for a link?<br />well… enough about Ron<br />let&#39;s talk about me!<br /><br />here is a link:<br /><br />http://www.newmystics.com/lit/EdBaker.html<br /><br /><br />furthermore when I write I write<br />and when I piss I piss<br />but I never piss when I write or<br />write when I piss<br /><br />I have been known to piss in the snow<br />and call a poem<br /><

  10. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson August 24, 2010 at 2:01 pm .

    Steve,<br /><br />I hope you&#39;ll read my response to Towle at Latta&#39;s. It went up yesterday. As I point out, there is plenty of room left for speculation after Towle&#39;s latest. Most of his essay, which you seem impressed by, is actually totally irrelevant to the case, but something he says there could be seen as opening up new possibilities for the *hypothesis* I&#39;ve presented.<br />

  11. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm .

    I may be weird, but I&#39;m not sure if I care whether Kent is right or not. In the long run—the long run you mention in relation to Silliman—we have the poem. O&#39;Hara will be even more of a footnote than Koch is now, not because he isn&#39;t a wonderful poet but because poetry will be read by even fewer people than it is today, and the disputes we all (let&#39;s be honest) enjoy will be

  12. Steven Fama
    Steven Fama August 24, 2010 at 4:34 am .

    Dear Joseph, <br /><br />More power to you for reading the upcoming book, and knock yourself out doing it, but the Towle essay by any reasonable measure leaves about zero room for the other side of the &quot;debate.&quot; <br /><br />And Kent Johnson — I name names, sorry — can&#39;t have much credibility after his recent inane claim about the Eliot Weinberger line in Silliman&#39;s <i>The

  13. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison August 23, 2010 at 10:05 pm .

    Ah, Bill … there <i>is</i> that question of &quot;great&quot;! I&#39;m no great fan of Koch&#39;s poetry, but am willing to entertain the notion that he rose to the occasion once—by suppressing his own poetic habits as much as he could, of course.<br /><br />But (addressing Kent now), I can&#39;t begin to judge the issue until I see your book. If nothing else it promises to be great (that word

  14. Kent Johnson
    Kent Johnson August 23, 2010 at 8:46 pm .

    Thanks for mentioning the exchange, Joseph, and the book forthcoming.<br /><br />I&#39;ve got some reminiscences about Ron from the time we were together in the USSR. But that was a long time ago, so it probably wouldn&#39;t apply. I thought we got along fine, but apparently not, judging from the memoir he co-wrote shortly after that trip.<br /><br />Kent

  15. knott
    knott August 23, 2010 at 8:19 pm .

    I won&#39;t believe Koch wrote it because it&#39;s a great poem, <br /><br />and Koch never wrote any great poems,<br /><br />whereas O&#39;Hara wrote many—

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