Vanessa Sells Out


  1. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker May 19, 2013 at 3:07 pm .

    for those yet interested:<br /><br />here is that &quot;circumference&quot; piece:<br /><br />&quot;the center has no circumference&quot;<br /><br /><br />just behind &quot;her&quot; click the / any image and it will<br />stand out big..

  2. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker May 19, 2013 at 1:36 pm .

    life/reality/poems/art ?<br />these days are in those<br />re:called<br /><br />&amp; I am in &quot;it&quot; for the<br />phantasies neurosis <br />that simply come&amp;go<br /><br />and I am of a mind that<br />(as I painted / wrote a dozen<br />years ago:<br /><br />&quot;what if you discovered that<br />the center has no circumference?&quot;<br />

  3. Lyle Daggett
    Lyle Daggett May 19, 2013 at 4:17 am .

    One of the essential differences (maybe the most important difference) between art and science is that the goal of science is to create results that can be repeated over and over, theoretically an infinite number of times under the right conditions. So, for instance, 2 plus 2 always equals 4; the square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is always equal to the sum of the squares of the other

  4. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker May 19, 2013 at 2:27 am .

    pee est:<br />here is Nada Vigo circa 1970 :<br /><br /><br /><br />what a crock of crap… no wonder I dropped out <br /><br />one should not connect Bill&#39;s &quot;stuff&quot; with all of this <br />…. crap<br /><br /> <br /><br />

  5. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison May 18, 2013 at 10:45 pm .

    <i>A Supposedly Fun Thing I&#39;ll Never Do Again</i>, as David Foster Wallace put it. You&#39;re right: Place has reprised what needed no repeating. If there&#39;s anything to the avant-garde it&#39;s that certain productions <i>need never be done again</i> because they&#39;ve been done once and for all. This isn&#39;t just an A-G thing, of course. William Stafford (no A-G-er) has a poem that

  6. John B-R
    John B-R May 18, 2013 at 7:47 pm .

    The main problem I have with Place&#39;s piece is been there done that ages ago. From Wikipedia, which is good enough:<br /><br />Artist&#39;s Shit (Italian: &quot;Merda d&#39;artista&quot;) is a 1961 artwork by the Italian artist Piero Manzoni. The work consists of 90 tin cans, each 30 grams and measuring 4.8×6.5cm, with a label in Italian, English, French, and German stating:<br />Artist&#39;s

  7. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker May 18, 2013 at 3:22 pm .

    as Lester Barron said to me in 1967<br />after I couldn&#39;t come up with an answer<br />to his question : &quot;What is art?&quot; :<br /> &quot;Whatever sells is art.&quot;<br /><br />(then he wrote me an hundred dollar check for one of my paintings. I took the checque. Two weeks later Lester died. Nobody went to his funeral.<br /><br />I have, I think saved in my computer, two pieces

  8. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison May 18, 2013 at 4:29 am .

    Oh, I like that kind of thing too, Lyle! But it&#39;s not &quot;conceptual&quot; the way Place is. Place is all surface—which is the point of her conceptualism: to leach every last grain of meaning out of art, discourse, intellect, and emotion. Her <i>$20</i> doesn&#39;t compare with the flashing WAR sign, which in its form and performance made a salient point, i.e. it <i>had meaning</i>. Place

  9. Lyle Daggett
    Lyle Daggett May 18, 2013 at 3:38 am .

    Every once on a great while, I come across a piece of art that might qualify as &quot;conceptual&quot; that I really like — it has in fact happened, now and then.<br /><br />One that comes to mind right away is a piece I saw in the mid-1970&#39;s at the Chicago Art Institute, in a gallery that featured hyper-modernist art pieces. A lot of it was oddball WTF? stuff, or things where I had the

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