Open and Closed, Part 3

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  1. J.H. Stotts
    J.H. Stotts January 28, 2009 at 4:35 pm .

    there is no world as it is, except for the instant as it is–other words are flux, overcoming, i think nihilism is argued successfully this way. the tension is that the laws are just as real as the exceptions, and they always apply, except for in the instant–it’s also the theory side of quantum dynamics, if you add an explanation of scale.

  2. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison January 28, 2009 at 3:41 pm .

    Thanks, J. H., for the clarification. Would this be a way to formulate it? "The world <I>as is</I> is not the world <I>as described</I>." Or: "Reality trumps theory." I have to restate it somehow because I banged my head on the iron ceiling of my math abilities when I flunked pre-calculus….

  3. J.H. Stotts
    J.H. Stotts January 28, 2009 at 3:31 pm .

    joseph,<BR/><BR/>the ‘special case’ is a mathematics concept, and is what is being implicitly stated when we talk about every snowflake being different, or every child being special, or any other like cliche. the laws of the universe except no body, there’s no ‘outside’ of gravity, weak or strong forces, etc. <BR/>and yet, there can be no such thing as an accurate model of phenomena, because

  4. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison January 28, 2009 at 12:02 am .

    Hello, J. H.—"Everything in the universe is rule bound, and yet each thing is an exception (a special case)." I’d love you to unpack that. I don’t see how both things can be true.<BR/><BR/>Hello to you too, peN—You’ve more or less restated my point, I think: SoQ is polemical, not descriptive. Not sure what Ron meant by "Open and Closed Levine," though it seems to imply that the first poem ("They

  5. peN
    peN January 27, 2009 at 4:47 pm .

    Agreed, with Paul, that ‘post-avant’ is a poor phrase, but Silliman’s point is something of the New American Poetry that is in the era beyond post-modernism. Post-post-modernism does not work either, you must admit.<BR/><BR/>Silliman’s notion that the so-called School of Quietude refers to a school of poetry, the predominant one in North America despite the work of Olson and Williams, et al, is

  6. J.H. Stotts
    J.H. Stotts January 27, 2009 at 3:12 pm .

    so far rich and levine are two pretty strong arguments that silliman should reconsider his canon, though i think everything in the universe is rule bound, and yet each thing is an exception (a special case), so there’s an inherent danger in trying to make up the rules in that they’re so hard to test out.

  7. The Author
    The Author January 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm .

    thanks for posting these poems – they mean a great deal to me. praise for Levine.

  8. Paul
    Paul January 23, 2009 at 1:16 am .

    "post-avante", hahaha, who made that one up I wonder. Certainly not anyone with any respect for the language. Had to be an American.

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