Cerebral Avant-Gardes [**Updated**]

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  1. Lyle Daggett
    Lyle Daggett July 28, 2013 at 12:37 am .

    It&#39;s hard for me to imagine that Hikmet in any way &quot;sought&quot; imprisonment, though I take it the biographer didn&#39;t intend that too literally.<br /><br />The things you relate here about Hikmet&#39;s experience reading his poems to other inmates made me think of something the writer Meridel LeSueur said once (I remember her saying it aloud; I don&#39;t know if she ever put it down

  2. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison July 25, 2013 at 6:01 pm .

    Here&#39;s another wonderful insight from the Hikmet biography, dealing with his years in prison for &quot;crimes against the state&quot; (though really it was a personal vendetta): &quot;Nazim read his poems … to &#39;people of all different classes in prison, and difficult passages got reworded or edited out so as to arrive at a simpler, plainer language&#39;…. As Nazim read his poems to

  3. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison July 25, 2013 at 2:57 pm .

    I probably overstated my pessimism, Lyle. I&#39;m pessimistic about PoBiz, not poetry or poets. (One can&#39;t call most &quot;cerebral avant-gardists&quot; poets without doing violence to the language.) And I certainly don&#39;t deny that my own tastes, like anyone else&#39;s, aren&#39;t ex cathedra. What I do find depressing is that these affectless strains of postmodernism have been welcomed

  4. Lyle Daggett
    Lyle Daggett July 25, 2013 at 3:04 am .

    I understand the pessimism about the chances of the United States having another poet the likes of Whitman or McGrath or Ginsberg (to name the three you&#39;ve named here), though I don&#39;t feel quite as pessimistic. I believe there continue to be poets in the United States of that kind of greatness. Whether their work will endure is something we&#39;ll obviously have to leave to history.<br />

  5. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison July 25, 2013 at 2:06 am .

    Thanks for the link. I&#39;ll take a look. Bill Porter=Red Pine, yes? Any relation to Bern Porter? (I&#39;ve always wondered.) Not that it matters. Like asking if he&#39;s related to Redd Foxx….

  6. Joseph Hutchison
    Joseph Hutchison July 25, 2013 at 2:03 am .

    No need to diss Hesiod (line 5). Still, some nice turns here. Not conceptual, I think, in the Conceptualist sense. All the better….

  7. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker July 25, 2013 at 1:23 am .

    well<br />as Bill Porter put it in his film <br />(&quot;Dancing with the Dead&quot;)<br />re: his reply to the girl as to why he came to China:<br /><br />&quot;(…) the culture in America is not very deep&quot;<br /><br />here is a link to the film:<br /><br />http://english.cntv.cn/program/documentary/20130110/108722.shtml<br />

  8. Peter
    Peter July 24, 2013 at 7:05 pm .

    Conceptual Valentine<br /><br />I remember having feelings<br />and still do at times<br />not just the casual sturdy kinds<br />we use to contain<br />the monotony of works and days<br />or that we are all emotionally<br />occult to one another<br />the usefulness of that contract<br />and confusion or the hopelessness<br />of our desires not the same as<br />the despair of our desires<br />I

  9. Ed Baker
    Ed Baker July 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm .

    I just read that &quot;1776&quot; poem &amp; am reminded of that French word that<br />is difficult to pro[nounce accentually so pardonAy moi:<br /><br />GARBAGE !<br /><br />an Yiddish word also comes to mind.<br /><br />I could say more to this-all<br />however<br />I gotta get a bet down on the new Royal Baby&#39;s name: my money&#39;s on<br />&quot;Sylvester&quot;<br /><br /><br />

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